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Mon Oct  5 21:30:57 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: it's a bit more than a threadpool, they actually extended the compiler 
Mon Oct  5 21:31:27 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: but locks are fun, they can race, and you have deadlocks! 
Mon Oct  5 21:31:44 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: locks are bad. 
Mon Oct  5 21:33:20 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: they're even better when combined with c++ exceptions ;) 
Mon Oct  5 21:33:59 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: I forget... does C++ not have a finally clause? 
Mon Oct  5 21:34:47 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: not sure what a finally clause is, but it does have destructors, and using an object for the lock indeed fixed that problem, but it was fun finding it first! 
Mon Oct  5 21:35:05 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: gotta love finding bugs in other people's code :) 
Mon Oct  5 21:35:24 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west:  try { } except { } finally { }      in Java, anyway, as long as you make sure and release the lock in the finally, all is well. 
Mon Oct  5 21:37:40 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: ah, try {} catch(){}, no finally 
Mon Oct  5 21:38:14 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: although if you unlock after the whole try block it's still fine, obviously :) 
Mon Oct  5 21:45:03 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: yeah. 
Mon Oct  5 22:00:58 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: I think part of the theory of finally is that there are cases where you *don't* want to catch errors... you want it to bomb, but you want to do cleanup first.  always another way to do it, but maybe not as cute the other way. 
Mon Oct  5 22:09:55 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: hm.  this zmp doc needs more attention. 
Mon Oct  5 22:10:53 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: oh.  nevermind. 
Tue Oct  6 16:58:52 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: do you think python's whitespace indendation would make the typical lpc coder's head asplode? 
Tue Oct  6 16:59:18 2009 [dchat] Daius@MotD: in about 75% of the cases... yes 
Tue Oct  6 17:22:39 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: not unless you fit their heads with microexplosives! 
Tue Oct  6 17:23:47 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: or have mental powers like scanners! 
Tue Oct  6 17:24:01 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: i'm a scanner 
Tue Oct  6 17:24:07 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: lies! 
Tue Oct  6 17:24:16 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: more like a photocopier 
Tue Oct  6 17:37:21 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: btw kal for aion do you bother upgrading your gear? 
Tue Oct  6 17:38:01 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: only from drops 
Tue Oct  6 17:38:25 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: i have been crafting greens for myself but not sure if it's worth it 
Tue Oct  6 17:38:42 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: do you buy from broker at all? 
Tue Oct  6 17:38:50 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: i like that you can enhace things with manastones 
Tue Oct  6 17:38:54 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: i haven't, no 
Tue Oct  6 17:39:08 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: you must have a ton of cash spare then 
Tue Oct  6 17:39:25 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: about 50k i think 
Tue Oct  6 17:39:35 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: still not enough to upgrade my cube again :) 
Tue Oct  6 17:39:50 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: how many times have you upgraded twice? 
Tue Oct  6 17:39:58 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: yeah 
Tue Oct  6 17:40:33 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: yeah i am too cheap to take the second upgrade atm 
Tue Oct  6 17:47:56 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice spawns. 
Tue Oct  6 17:57:13 2009 [dchat] Daius@MotD: anyone know a good quick way to repair a slashed tire? 
Tue Oct  6 18:01:42 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: there's that spray in foam stuff 
Tue Oct  6 18:01:57 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: I assume it doesn't have an inner tube 
Tue Oct  6 18:02:11 2009 [dchat] Daius@MotD: fix-a-flat... its about a 4" cut in the tire though (outter wall) 
Tue Oct  6 18:02:28 2009 [dchat] Daius@MotD: sidewall of all things too 
Tue Oct  6 18:02:59 2009 [dchat] Tique@Discworld: elastoplast 
Tue Oct  6 18:03:09 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: a number of bicycle repair kits 
Tue Oct  6 18:03:48 2009 [dchat] Daius@MotD: my boss is gonna have my ass today... this blows. 
Tue Oct  6 18:06:23 2009 [dchat] CrakAdmin@YottaQuest: ? 
Tue Oct  6 18:06:40 2009 [dchat] Daius@MotD: I have the bus key :)  he'll want that back today if I can't drive the bus lol 
Tue Oct  6 18:07:47 2009 [dchat] Daius@MotD: wtf.... wow! 
Tue Oct  6 18:15:31 2009 [dchat] CrakAdmin@YottaQuest: oh.  that was porn.  Great, here comes the HR girl now. 
Tue Oct  6 18:15:55 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: eh?  pictures of naked electricity? 
Tue Oct  6 18:16:33 2009 [dchat] CrakAdmin@YottaQuest: I don't know, the site-blocker at work blocked it saying "porn" 
Tue Oct  6 18:16:40 2009 [dchat] CrakAdmin@YottaQuest: so I couldn't see what it was. 
Tue Oct  6 18:16:53 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: power line attacking a tree 
Tue Oct  6 18:17:34 2009 [dchat] Daius@MotD: that tree showed those powerlines who was boss in the end. 
Tue Oct  6 18:17:53 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: what, by getting totally ownt and exploding? 
Tue Oct  6 18:18:18 2009 [dchat] Daius@MotD: yep :) 
Tue Oct  6 20:20:42 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: it's the ads on the site that make it porn 
Tue Oct  6 20:24:28 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: oh, that was in Bellingham 
Tue Oct  6 20:24:36 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: that's like a couple hours north of here 
Tue Oct  6 20:25:11 2009 [dchat] CrakAdmin@YottaQuest: Oh well, too late now, I've already got a letter in my file.  Thanks guys. 
Tue Oct  6 20:25:20 2009 [dchat] CrakAdmin@YottaQuest: j/k 
Tue Oct  6 20:25:45 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: is it a Q?  I've always been partial to that letter 
Tue Oct  6 20:25:56 2009 [dchat] CrakAdmin@YottaQuest: triple letter score 
Tue Oct  6 20:26:49 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: QWJIBO 
Tue Oct  6 20:28:18 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: zyqxuwy 
Tue Oct  6 20:29:16 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: http://lpmuds.net/zyqxuwy.jpg 
Tue Oct  6 20:29:39 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: what is that imge from? 
Tue Oct  6 20:31:06 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: yeah yeah 
Tue Oct  6 20:31:22 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: i don't speak german 
Tue Oct  6 20:34:15 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: You barely speak English 
Wed Oct  7 02:18:27 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: A wish list for MudOS 1.0 
Wed Oct  7 02:19:10 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: what about it 
Wed Oct  7 02:20:20 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: I just thought it was amusing. ;) 
Wed Oct  7 02:20:23 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: History, and all. 
Wed Oct  7 02:20:35 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: And some of those things never did see the light of day. 
Wed Oct  7 02:20:37 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: meeeemrieees 
Wed Oct  7 02:21:10 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: "check out the object loading code in Amylaar's driver (up to 2x faster than lars apparently -- according to Buddha)." 
Wed Oct  7 02:22:32 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: luckily yer running a cutting edge version of mudos 
Wed Oct  7 02:23:56 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: ugh.  direct access to other objects' variables seems both unnecessary and , well, unnecessary. 
Wed Oct  7 02:24:14 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: you can do it already with bind 
Wed Oct  7 02:24:25 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: and it's actually useful to an extent 
Wed Oct  7 02:24:31 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: but more than this is not needed 
Wed Oct  7 02:24:53 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: that "fix inheritance" thing doesn't sound like a fix to me at all. 
Wed Oct  7 02:25:20 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: this list doesn't seem very well-culled. 
Wed Oct  7 02:25:28 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: hehehe 
Wed Oct  7 02:25:40 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes should Fluff his mud. 
Wed Oct  7 02:25:45 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: Dunno why I haven't so far. 
Wed Oct  7 02:26:06 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: you've correctly assumed that it'll break your very old version of ds 
Wed Oct  7 02:26:24 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: Would it really? 
Wed Oct  7 02:26:28 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: it's really not that hard (yes, I've actually converted a mud that ran on v21 to run on FluffOS).  It *seems* really hard because it won't start up when you first try.  But usually it's only a few small things that are actually preventing startup. 
Wed Oct  7 02:26:35 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: well it wouldnt be tragic 
Wed Oct  7 02:26:49 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: but you'd need an afternoon or so of undivided attention to fixing it 
Wed Oct  7 02:26:52 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: If you can fluff nightmare, Crat, I can fluff my mud. ;) 
Wed Oct  7 02:27:04 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: Good to know, Hamlet. :) 
Wed Oct  7 02:27:41 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: of course, there will still be lingering weirdnesses even days later, but as long as you handle the show-stoppers, the rest is just details. 
Wed Oct  7 02:27:49 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: nod 
Wed Oct  7 02:27:54 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: I'd expect that sort of behaviour. 
Wed Oct  7 02:28:08 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: when i fluffed old libs that was one of the problems...just knowing what was chiking where 
Wed Oct  7 02:28:15 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: choking 
Wed Oct  7 02:28:35 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: Hopefully in the future I'll be fluffing an ancient nm3 derivative. That'll be fun. 
Wed Oct  7 02:28:56 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: Hasn't had a new driver since it was first run. 
Wed Oct  7 02:29:15 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: In ... 94? 95? Somewhere in there. 
Wed Oct  7 02:29:39 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: v21?  or v22? 
Wed Oct  7 02:29:53 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: v21.7 
Wed Oct  7 02:30:35 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: Aye. 
Wed Oct  7 02:30:40 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: yeah.  jumping from there to v22 is more painful than v22 -> fluff. 
Wed Oct  7 02:30:50 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: Crat knows cuz he probably knows the forum post where it was mentioned. 
Wed Oct  7 02:31:05 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: i love a mystery 
Wed Oct  7 02:31:09 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: Apparently there were so many compat busters with v22 that it was ridiculous. 
Wed Oct  7 02:31:32 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: We've got tons of posts from one of the previous admins saying, "Please clean up your code if you have <blah> as it's a major compat buster." 
Wed Oct  7 02:31:57 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: yeah.  beek was obsessed with turning MudOS into a RISC machine.  who needs more than ADD and MOV anyway? 
Wed Oct  7 02:32:12 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: haha 
Wed Oct  7 02:32:58 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: But just think, stripping out all that extra crap means you could run your entire mud from a single chip. That'd be sweet! Think of all the uses! Wait, there really are no uses for that. 
Wed Oct  7 02:33:52 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: im still offended from his painting his handling of parsing ambiguity as trying to protect the players 
Wed Oct  7 02:34:09 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: I have a "chat server" that I wrote to learn C#.  It understands LOGIN, LOGOUT, MSG <msg>, and TELL <user> <msg>.   We could call that a mud and just use our imaginations for everything else. 
Wed Oct  7 02:34:23 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: I believe that's a 'talker'. ;) 
Wed Oct  7 02:34:40 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes MSGS's that he attacks you! 
Wed Oct  7 02:34:59 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: pff, trying to protect the players. 
Wed Oct  7 02:35:04 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: from... 
Wed Oct  7 02:35:10 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: of all people in the world 
Wed Oct  7 02:35:20 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: haha 
Wed Oct  7 02:35:37 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: I call it a proof of concept :P  It also runs on a thread pool AND can be multiple servers from the same executable.  very high-tech, eh?  With all that awesomeness, who needs features? 
Wed Oct  7 02:35:54 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: Ooh, I like. 
Wed Oct  7 02:36:13 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: End users aren't supposed to appreciate things like that. That's something you show off to your coding friends. 
Wed Oct  7 02:36:58 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: that's why this code is probably done.  :P  wasn't meant to actually be used anyway.  was just meant to be stable and actually use some C# features. 
Wed Oct  7 02:37:08 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: nod 
Wed Oct  7 02:39:24 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: uh.  "implement auto line wrap." 
Wed Oct  7 02:39:33 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: that doesn't sound like a driver thing. 
Wed Oct  7 02:40:19 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: oooo.  "make it so that 'z' in ed uses getenv("LINES") to see how much to list."     
Wed Oct  7 02:40:40 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: heheh 
Wed Oct  7 02:41:43 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: I implemented that! 
Wed Oct  7 02:42:15 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: well, not with getenv(), though.  that's just crazy-talk. 
Wed Oct  7 02:42:27 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes is tempted to implement that. 
Wed Oct  7 02:43:06 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: no, no.  in the driver.  it's in there. 
Wed Oct  7 02:43:28 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: final arg to ed() or ed_start() can be number of lines on the user's screen. 
Wed Oct  7 02:43:36 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: Oh. 
Wed Oct  7 02:43:41 2009 [dchat] Tigwyk@LP Heroes: Oh neat. 
Wed Oct  7 02:45:28 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: I have no idea what this one means:  consider putting "ls" back into the GD  
Wed Oct  7 02:45:36 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: what's a GD? 
Wed Oct  7 03:11:38 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: Genetic Deformity? 
Wed Oct  7 11:36:55 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: what's with all the muds popping on and off line, death of the internet? 
Wed Oct  7 12:15:56 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: The Death of the Internet. 
Wed Oct  7 14:27:24 2009 [dchat] Daius@MotD: the tubes where clogged.  someone must have unclogged them.  Death of the Internet, or just unclogged :) 
Wed Oct  7 14:28:05 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole does a clog dance 
Wed Oct  7 19:50:28 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: heh, most of that stuff in the mudos1.0 wishlist did get fixed, some of the others are just wrong, why would you keep screen size data in the driver? 
Wed Oct  7 19:51:04 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: maybe that was an apply 
Wed Oct  7 19:51:59 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: we never did get enums though 
Wed Oct  7 20:18:24 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: enums are easy 
Wed Oct  7 23:17:09 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: Utinam populus Romanus unam cervicem haberet! 
Fri Oct  9 03:35:06 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: awwww.  I'm missing discworld. 
Fri Oct  9 04:01:05 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: yep.  still missing discworld. 
Fri Oct  9 04:12:45 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: why? 
Sun Oct 11 20:27:28 2009 [dchat] Walrii@ArchiveMUD: Hello. 
Sun Oct 11 20:52:03 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@Discworld: test 
Sun Oct 11 20:52:06 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: test 
Sun Oct 11 20:52:18 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@Discworld: and one more 
Sun Oct 11 20:55:28 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: FAIL! 
Sun Oct 11 20:56:49 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@Discworld: actually, yes. that is correct. 
Sun Oct 11 20:58:36 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: I knew it all tests need to have the word test in them or they automatically fail 
Sun Oct 11 20:59:26 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: you are indeed wise. 
Sun Oct 11 21:02:29 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@Discworld: (I hope) 
Sun Oct 11 21:03:14 2009 [dchat] Sim@ArchiveMUD: tezt.  Gah, it's harder than it looks! 
Sun Oct 11 21:50:42 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: testicles 
Sun Oct 11 21:51:01 2009 [dchat] Flumpy@Dead Souls Dev: specticles 
Sun Oct 11 21:51:22 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: wallet 
Sun Oct 11 21:51:37 2009 [dchat] Flumpy@Dead Souls Dev: watch 
Sun Oct 11 21:51:42 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: :) 
Mon Oct 12 23:54:40 2009 [dchat] Lash@Diku to Dead: Heya, anyone know how to use SetPosition in an npc to change the default from standing to sitting (or other)? 
Mon Oct 12 23:55:02 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: SetAutoStand(0) 
Mon Oct 12 23:55:10 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: that's the closest to what you want 
Mon Oct 12 23:55:19 2009 [dchat] Lash@Diku to Dead: Thanks 
Mon Oct 12 23:55:22 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: theres no function to set a default posture 
Mon Oct 12 23:55:28 2009 [dchat] Lash@Diku to Dead: ah... 
Tue Oct 13 00:01:06 2009 [dchat] Lash@Diku to Dead: ha - SetPosition(4) (?) followed by SetAutoStand(0) seems to work 
Tue Oct 13 01:14:12 2009 [dchat] Fthmdg@Infinium: hey, anyone on? I have a coding question 
Tue Oct 13 01:22:09 2009 [dchat] Fthmdg@Infinium: anyone? :/ 
Tue Oct 13 01:22:29 2009 [dchat] Icewolfz@ShadowMUDii: about deadsouls? 
Tue Oct 13 01:22:33 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: we're hiding 
Tue Oct 13 01:23:38 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: LOG 
Tue Oct 13 01:23:41 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: err... 
Tue Oct 13 01:23:44 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: LOL 
Tue Oct 13 01:23:46 2009 [dchat] Fthmdg@Infinium: lol 
Tue Oct 13 01:23:50 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: I can't believe there's a faq for that 
Tue Oct 13 01:24:16 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: I'm fighting the beggar with my staff and he's kicking my ass 
Tue Oct 13 01:24:23 2009 [dchat] Fthmdg@Infinium: Ive read the faqs, as well as looked at the example rooms and defualt npcs and such 
Tue Oct 13 01:24:27 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: out of context that just sounds wrong 
Tue Oct 13 01:25:10 2009 [dchat] Fthmdg@Infinium: is there a function to make an npc talk to a player when they enter the room? I looked at tell_object and message, but those don't look right 
Tue Oct 13 01:25:52 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: take a look at kleiner 
Tue Oct 13 01:26:04 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: it's delayed a few seconds but it does what you want 
Tue Oct 13 01:26:32 2009 [dchat] Fthmdg@Infinium: mmk, thanks. I've been scrolling through the efun/sefun/lfun docs for ever and cant find it xD haha 
Tue Oct 13 02:03:23 2009 [dchat] Fthmdg@Infinium: Is there no documentation on EventForce? 
Tue Oct 13 02:07:07 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: the code is documentation 
Tue Oct 13 02:30:27 2009 [dchat] Fthmdg@Infinium: well the code would be documentation but it doesnt tell me why Im getting an undefined function error.. :/ 
Tue Oct 13 02:35:12 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: case-sensitivity 
Tue Oct 13 02:35:35 2009 [dchat] Fthmdg@Infinium: I figured it out, and yeah it was case sensetivity xD 
Tue Oct 13 05:20:41 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: !vote MrScruffy +12 
Tue Oct 13 05:20:59 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: wrong channel noob 
Tue Oct 13 05:22:31 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: jus testin 
Tue Oct 13 05:22:49 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice beats Crat with his noobstick. 
Tue Oct 13 06:31:48 2009 [dchat] Fthmdg@Infinium: any reason an NPC who is set in a rooms inventory would be there every-other update? 
Tue Oct 13 17:23:30 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: wibbles 
Tue Oct 13 18:59:04 2009 [dchat] Karri@Dionea wombles 
Tue Oct 13 18:59:14 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: hi karri 
Tue Oct 13 18:59:25 2009 [dchat] Karri@Dionea: Hi Crat!  :) 
Tue Oct 13 18:59:28 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: :) 
Tue Oct 13 18:59:42 2009 [dchat] Flumpy@Dead Souls Dev: oh whats this channel for then 
Tue Oct 13 18:59:51 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: friendly general chat 
Tue Oct 13 19:00:04 2009 [dchat] Flumpy@Dead Souls Dev: oic.. why you on it then 
Tue Oct 13 19:00:05 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: limited swearing, PG-13 stuff 
Tue Oct 13 19:00:09 2009 [dchat] Flumpy@Dead Souls Dev: :) 
Tue Oct 13 19:00:12 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: lolth 
Tue Oct 13 19:15:06 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole swears limitedly 
Tue Oct 13 19:48:01 2009 [dchat] Ideysus@ShadowMUDii: Ooh. Limited swearing. I thought there was none at all. 
Tue Oct 13 19:48:19 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: well yknow it's pg-13 so i guess damn and hell are ok 
Tue Oct 13 19:48:21 2009 [dchat] Ideysus@ShadowMUDii: Darn it all to heck motherlovers! 
Tue Oct 13 19:48:37 2009 [dchat] Ideysus@ShadowMUDii: Meh. 
Tue Oct 13 21:13:39 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: anyone know what tells gcc where to look for .h files? 
Tue Oct 13 21:14:27 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: -I 
Tue Oct 13 21:14:37 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: -I/usr/local/include 
Tue Oct 13 21:14:40 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: default locations. 
Tue Oct 13 21:14:52 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: /etc/proj.mak? 
Tue Oct 13 21:15:10 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: there must be system defaults.  gcc looks in more than one place and merges dirs. 
Tue Oct 13 21:15:36 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: the spec file, but I think recent versions have that compiled in. 
Tue Oct 13 21:15:44 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: ugh. 
Tue Oct 13 21:16:22 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: 'gcc -v' should tell you 
Tue Oct 13 21:17:20 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: ah, specs file even :) 
Tue Oct 13 21:17:34 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: 4.1.2 still had it, 4.4.1 doesn't on my systems 
Tue Oct 13 21:19:07 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: /etc/make.conf 
Tue Oct 13 21:22:12 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: guess he died of a heart attack when i mentioned the compiled in bit :( he's gone all quiet 
Tue Oct 13 21:41:40 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: /* todo: explain */ 
Wed Oct 14 00:49:32 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: the heart attack came after the N Mexican food. 
Wed Oct 14 00:49:40 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: s/N// 
Wed Oct 14 00:50:04 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: sure it wasn't indigestion? 
Wed Oct 14 00:50:19 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: I'm pretty sure it was the chile relleno. 
Wed Oct 14 00:51:24 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole googles relleno, yum that looks good 
Wed Oct 14 00:52:29 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: big mild pepper stuffed with cheese, breaded and fried.  how can you go wrong? 
Wed Oct 14 00:54:43 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: I'm pretty sure they're not Mexican, though. 
Wed Oct 14 00:54:48 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west sighs. 
Wed Oct 14 00:59:12 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: wikipedia disagrees with you, it thinks they are Mexican 
Wed Oct 14 00:59:25 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: no, no.  the people at the restaurant.  :P 
Wed Oct 14 00:59:36 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: I didn't qualify that very well at all. 
Wed Oct 14 01:00:31 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: oic, where you think they from? 
Wed Oct 14 01:00:45 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: Guatemala.  close, but no burrito. 
Wed Oct 14 01:00:50 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: I haven't actually asked, though. 
Wed Oct 14 01:01:35 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: no burritos in Guatemala 
Wed Oct 14 01:01:46 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: ? 
Wed Oct 14 01:01:54 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: banned 
Wed Oct 14 01:02:04 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: I was going for "close but no cigar", but didn't want to imply Cuba :P 
Wed Oct 14 01:02:33 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: good call 
Wed Oct 14 01:02:36 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: regardless of their ethnicity, I'm a little high on the beans and chiles. 
Wed Oct 14 01:03:12 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: heh 
Wed Oct 14 01:04:18 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: 5 meters long, wow! 
Wed Oct 14 01:04:30 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: mmmmmm 
Wed Oct 14 01:10:40 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: what's a meter? 
Wed Oct 14 01:10:55 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: nothin. what's a meter you? 
Wed Oct 14 01:11:32 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: oh, that's the gimpy yard that the euros use, isn't it? 
Wed Oct 14 01:12:10 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: my milkshake brings all the dieters to the meter 
Wed Oct 14 01:12:12 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: not the same ring to it im afraid 
Wed Oct 14 01:12:40 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole:  the euros and half the rest the world sadly 
Wed Oct 14 01:12:59 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: sounds fair to me 
Wed Oct 14 01:13:02 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: the imperial system is objectively superior for practical measurements 
Wed Oct 14 01:13:03 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: that's fact 
Wed Oct 14 01:13:09 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: case closed 
Wed Oct 14 01:13:11 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: agreed 
Wed Oct 14 01:13:18 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: nuh uh. 
Wed Oct 14 01:13:21 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: yuh huh 
Wed Oct 14 01:13:49 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: and you tend to carry around , as part of your body many of the measuring implements you need 
Wed Oct 14 01:14:04 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: and the metric system encourages dunderheadedness 
Wed Oct 14 01:14:12 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: base 10 is lame 
Wed Oct 14 01:14:29 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: you may not be so bad after all sys 
Wed Oct 14 01:14:38 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: =D 
Wed Oct 14 01:14:41 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: ima forget the stuff duuk and kali say bout you 
Wed Oct 14 01:14:45 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: yer all right 
Wed Oct 14 01:14:52 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: if you start kissing, i'm leaving 
Wed Oct 14 01:14:58 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: smooooooootch 
Wed Oct 14 01:15:05 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole thank cratylus@dead souls dev 
Wed Oct 14 01:15:08 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice gags. 
Wed Oct 14 01:15:12 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: I used to cut my little fingernail to be a centimeter.  decimeter is from index fingertip to the first major wrinkle on the palm.  meter is from fingertip to opposite shoulder joint. 
Wed Oct 14 01:15:27 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: a yard is a pace and a foot is a foot 
Wed Oct 14 01:15:45 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: the metric system is why (american) football fails in europe 
Wed Oct 14 01:15:59 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: if it were meter-ball, they'd be all over it? 
Wed Oct 14 01:16:08 2009 [dchat] Pso@Discworld: that's good as long as you never have to talk anyone outside America or Burma! 
Wed Oct 14 01:16:16 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: those were the original definitions, the meter is some silly stick in a vaul in Paris 
Wed Oct 14 01:16:39 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: and it was meant to be an exact decimal fraction fo the world's circumference, but they got it wrong 
Wed Oct 14 01:16:41 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: never trust anything the french hold up 
Wed Oct 14 01:17:07 2009 [dchat] Pso@Discworld: eh, as long as 100 of them make a meter, it's all good 
Wed Oct 14 01:17:25 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: the centimeter is not part of the metric system 
Wed Oct 14 01:17:27 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: 5 grams is two small paperclips. 
Wed Oct 14 01:17:29 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: let's just see you try and push metric time and a metric calendar 
Wed Oct 14 01:17:45 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: and psi is a useful measurement of pressure a Pascal is silly 
Wed Oct 14 01:18:08 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: (and now you know how to do "metric estimation"!) 
Wed Oct 14 01:18:20 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: horsepower rules 
Wed Oct 14 01:18:38 2009 [dchat] Pso@Discworld: what makes psi a useful measurement? 
Wed Oct 14 01:18:40 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: and no carriage needs more than 8hp 
Wed Oct 14 01:18:49 2009 [dchat] Pso@Discworld: if you don't use pounds or inches, psi is a meaningless measure :p 
Wed Oct 14 01:19:20 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: my car has a 223709 joule per second engine! 
Wed Oct 14 01:19:33 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: at least you don't need a million of them to add up to anything 
Wed Oct 14 01:19:49 2009 [dchat] Pso@Discworld: well, that would be a problem if we were short on numbers for some reason 
Wed Oct 14 01:20:19 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: you don't get the point, the Imperial system is a human based system of real measurements, the metric system is made up bollocks 
Wed Oct 14 01:20:29 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: huzzah! 
Wed Oct 14 01:20:33 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: I do like Sys! 
Wed Oct 14 01:20:51 2009 [dchat] Pso@Discworld: made up bollocks that is easy to calculate with 
Wed Oct 14 01:21:08 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: you and your base 10 mathematics 
Wed Oct 14 01:21:12 2009 [dchat] Pso@Discworld: that's the point.. it's made up to make sense, it's not based on the length of a body part :p 
Wed Oct 14 01:21:17 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: the world runs on base 2 
Wed Oct 14 01:21:20 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: you suffer from lack of brain power? you can only work with things you can count on your fingures 
Wed Oct 14 01:21:22 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: Crat, you should ban religious show-downs on dchat :P 
Wed Oct 14 01:21:53 2009 [dchat] Pso@Discworld: I'd say less than 1% of people in the world can use base 2 for anything meaningful :p 
Wed Oct 14 01:22:09 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: I like to know how many tablespoons to use, not grams thank you very much 
Wed Oct 14 01:22:25 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: base ten sucks so much more than base 12 ten is divisible by 2, 12 by 2 3 4, without needing awkward fractions 
Wed Oct 14 01:22:32 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: what's 1/3 of a meter? 
Wed Oct 14 01:22:39 2009 [dchat] Pso@Discworld: 33 centimeters? 
Wed Oct 14 01:22:43 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: .333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 
Wed Oct 14 01:22:46 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: etc 
Wed Oct 14 01:23:01 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: wouldn't that mean base 60 is even better? 
Wed Oct 14 01:23:20 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: yes, which is why the babylonians used it for time 
Wed Oct 14 01:23:23 2009 [dchat] Pso@Discworld: there are probably less people that can do base 12 than base 2 :p 
Wed Oct 14 01:23:37 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: that's because they have been stupified by the metric system 
Wed Oct 14 01:23:42 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: hehe 
Wed Oct 14 01:23:53 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: i work purely in base 16 now 
Wed Oct 14 01:23:56 2009 [dchat] Pso@Discworld: oh I get it, you hate efficiency 
Wed Oct 14 01:24:17 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: it's not efficient to have to use recurring numbers when you divide by 3 
Wed Oct 14 01:24:23 2009 [dchat] Pso@Discworld: maybe someone who was more efficiently counting in base 10 beat you in a maths competition as a child! 
Wed Oct 14 01:24:46 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: there used to be a system of feet which were different from other feet in the ratio 22/7 
Wed Oct 14 01:24:58 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: pi? 
Wed Oct 14 01:25:01 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: I think the other foot is known as the greek foot 
Wed Oct 14 01:25:06 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: precisely 
Wed Oct 14 01:25:14 2009 [dchat] Bula@Dead Souls Dev: sounds like it requires ointment 
Wed Oct 14 01:25:22 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: lol 
Wed Oct 14 01:25:32 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: the dreaded Greek Fire Toes 
Wed Oct 14 01:25:39 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: well not precisely pi, but close enough that you get exact numbers of feet for radius and circumference measurements 
Wed Oct 14 01:25:56 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: they were used to build the stone circles 
Wed Oct 14 01:26:22 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: stonehenge? 
Wed Oct 14 01:26:34 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: yeah 
Wed Oct 14 01:26:52 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: i thought that was built as a solstice marker 
Wed Oct 14 01:27:00 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: tho stonehenge as we know it was an Iron age modification of a stone age monument 
Wed Oct 14 01:27:15 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: it was, but to get a circle you need to be able to measure radii and circumferences 
Wed Oct 14 01:27:26 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: so they had two different feet 
Wed Oct 14 01:27:30 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: old people were smart 
Wed Oct 14 01:44:24 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west sighs. 
Wed Oct 14 01:44:38 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: I think I'm becoming a convert to .NET... or at least the base class library. 
Wed Oct 14 01:45:30 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: the VM still sounds like a "me too" 
Wed Oct 14 01:49:31 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: eeep .NET 
Wed Oct 14 01:49:36 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole hides 
Wed Oct 14 01:50:02 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: not found. 
Wed Oct 14 01:51:06 2009 [dchat] Chris Bailey@Dead Souls Dev: You tinyurl'd the last one, wtf happened there? 
Wed Oct 14 01:51:09 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: The Lost Science of Measuring the Earth: Discovering the Sacred Geometry of ... 
Wed Oct 14 01:51:32 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: the tiny url failed coz google sucks 
Wed Oct 14 01:52:31 2009 [dchat] Chris Bailey@Dead Souls Dev: google is non responsive. 
Wed Oct 14 01:52:33 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: ahem! he Lost Science of Measuring the Earth: Discovering the Sacred Geometry of ... By Robin Heath, John Michell is the book I was referring to 
Wed Oct 14 01:52:55 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: which explains loads bout ancient systems of measurements and hence why the metric system sucks 
Wed Oct 14 01:53:26 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: hmmm.  these authors weren't very big on logic, were they? 
Wed Oct 14 01:53:57 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: no, ut it still makes for interesting reading 
Wed Oct 14 01:54:06 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: I think they may have taken too much LSD 
Wed Oct 14 01:54:18 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: "The modern metre has significant faults and disadvantages.  It is not properly geodetic; it has no covenient foot or third-part division; it is awkward to use, as in making a 6-foot man measure 1.8288 m" 
Wed Oct 14 01:54:29 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: in other words, "it's not the English system.  Therefore it is wrong." 
Wed Oct 14 01:54:34 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: great logic. 
Wed Oct 14 01:54:58 2009 [dchat] Taffyd@Discworld: very few men are exactly 6 feet anyway 
Wed Oct 14 01:55:21 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole is 
Wed Oct 14 01:55:27 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: in fact, one would suspect that most men are something on the theme of 5.8281 feet. 
Wed Oct 14 01:55:36 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: hm.  crap.  so much for that argument. 
Wed Oct 14 01:55:59 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: and noone is 5.8281 feet they'd be 5'10" 
Wed Oct 14 01:56:23 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: no, they'd be 5'10.828" 
Wed Oct 14 01:56:36 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: but yes I agree with Hamlet, if it's not the English system is is wrong 
Wed Oct 14 01:56:41 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: or, more accurately 5'10" and 7/64ths 
Wed Oct 14 01:56:57 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: if you need that level of accuracy 
Wed Oct 14 01:57:56 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: awww, I'm so proud. 
Wed Oct 14 01:58:12 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: my son just turned around from the toy he's playing with and asked, "How can you lose against Army?" 
Wed Oct 14 02:29:41 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: lol base 60 
Wed Oct 14 02:29:45 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: that's a good idea 
Wed Oct 14 02:30:35 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: now lemme lay down some science on yalls 
Wed Oct 14 02:30:44 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: objective superiority. 
Wed Oct 14 02:31:07 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: read it. then, after the reading is complete, make with the lacrimose 
Wed Oct 14 02:31:15 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: you mean something more meaningful than, "you can't divide it into thirds easily,t therefore it's wrong."  ? 
Wed Oct 14 02:31:45 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: thirds, my friend, and HALVES 
Wed Oct 14 02:31:59 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: or halve not 
Wed Oct 14 02:32:03 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: there is no try 
Wed Oct 14 02:35:56 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: ugh the smoked salmon got all over my fingers and i scratched my beard 
Wed Oct 14 02:36:45 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: you're sporting a beard? 
Wed Oct 14 02:36:54 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: sportin? i'm ROCKIN it 
Wed Oct 14 02:37:04 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: i can't see that 
Wed Oct 14 02:37:12 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: shave you face, hippie. 
Wed Oct 14 02:37:15 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: well ok, large goatee 
Wed Oct 14 02:37:16 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Must be his YMCA faze. 
Wed Oct 14 02:37:20 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: and lots of stubble 
Wed Oct 14 02:37:25 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: TRICKY 
Wed Oct 14 02:37:27 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: omg tricky 
Wed Oct 14 02:37:37 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: trickytrickyterickay 
Wed Oct 14 02:37:51 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: lpuni, is it from scratch or based off something? 
Wed Oct 14 02:37:57 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: tmi 
Wed Oct 14 02:38:09 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: the fascist mudlib 
Wed Oct 14 02:38:39 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Kali answered. I believe if you ask Wiki it will give you the definitive (and long winded) answer, 
Wed Oct 14 02:38:52 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: oh dewd i thought it was from scratch 
Wed Oct 14 02:38:58 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: so it's a "tmi-2 derivative"? 
Wed Oct 14 02:39:05 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: TMI-3 
Wed Oct 14 02:39:12 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: ya lost me 
Wed Oct 14 02:39:18 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: you found a tmi-3? 
Wed Oct 14 02:39:29 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: At least that is what Tac wanted to call it but got shot down. 
Wed Oct 14 02:39:37 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: well yeah i knew that but my question is 
Wed Oct 14 02:39:41 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: MASSIVELY! 
Wed Oct 14 02:39:46 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: does it have *code* from tmi-2 
Wed Oct 14 02:40:09 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Dunno, I got roped in around 2005 I think. 
Wed Oct 14 02:44:07 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Hang on, it waas 2006 I was roped in. 
Wed Oct 14 02:44:21 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: srsly i thought tacitus said he built it from scratch 
Wed Oct 14 02:44:24 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: druggie 
Wed Oct 14 02:44:32 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: or rather from lil, which is functionally the same thing 
Wed Oct 14 02:44:52 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: "Used the same format" 
Wed Oct 14 02:45:36 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: it takes surprisingly little to turn lil into a lib that's useful for testing and basic communication.  double the number of commands (intelligently) and you're there. 
Wed Oct 14 02:46:56 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: yeh lil actually kinda rox 
Wed Oct 14 02:47:04 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: i mean i nknow that sounds dumb 
Wed Oct 14 02:47:07 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Heh! Started on that myself, http://ebspso.dnsalias.org:8080/tlib/dev/files -- Probably should restart that project. 
Wed Oct 14 02:47:09 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: cuz it's barely there 
Wed Oct 14 02:47:14 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: but but i like it 
Wed Oct 14 02:48:13 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: all right not to beat a dead horse, trixy 
Wed Oct 14 02:48:26 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: I should put together my super-lil.  call it "lillier" or osmething :P 
Wed Oct 14 02:48:29 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: but lpuni, tmi deriv, yes/no 
Wed Oct 14 02:48:38 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Interested in starting a new lib up is all 
Wed Oct 14 02:49:25 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: I was messing with H7 Avatar before. Sapidlib/LPUni seemed simpler if a little basic to use. 
Wed Oct 14 02:49:48 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: yknow, it doesnt work waiting for you to be sober, this is the only chance i get to ask you things 
Wed Oct 14 02:50:11 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Meant having to learn a different syntax because of driver differences though. 
Wed Oct 14 02:50:43 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: It takes a lot more than I have had to be drunk. Ask away. 
Wed Oct 14 02:51:02 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: lpuni. tmi derivative? yes/no 
Wed Oct 14 02:51:05 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: "Merry" is how I would describe myself 
Wed Oct 14 02:51:40 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: lpuni, not used tmi so wouldn't really know, however I would possibly say yes. 
Wed Oct 14 02:51:48 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: gah 
Wed Oct 14 02:52:04 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Same layout and syntax in programming. 
Wed Oct 14 02:52:21 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Until I came along. 
Wed Oct 14 02:52:35 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: dc u still devvin sapid? 
Wed Oct 14 02:53:09 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Occasionally, cf bazzar updates to lpuni line. 
Wed Oct 14 02:55:16 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Although I am currently investigating why my client doesn't receive mudlist updates from Aidil's router. Strangely the DS lib does with the same driver. 
Wed Oct 14 02:58:06 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: PS - The reset hack for the latest DS alpha (a20) seems to have stopped the Mangy rats from overwhelming my bots. 
Wed Oct 14 02:58:13 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: :) 
Wed Oct 14 02:58:19 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: that reset thing was nasty dude 
Wed Oct 14 02:58:26 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: i cant believe i never noticed it before 
Wed Oct 14 02:58:41 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: The bots used to pick them up making combat with them impossible. 
Wed Oct 14 02:58:46 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: heh 
Wed Oct 14 02:58:51 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: yeah i gotta tweak that 
Wed Oct 14 02:59:17 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Combat messages were seen but no damgage to either. 
Wed Oct 14 03:00:43 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Big hint to those running on Windows, don't set up more than 10 bots at once. after 2 days your box will grind to a halt with eval errors. 
Wed Oct 14 03:01:15 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Apart from that, Fluff 2.18-alpha seems to work. 
Wed Oct 14 03:02:37 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: yeh the "pick up livings" code needs srs tweaking 
Wed Oct 14 03:02:39 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: Big hint to those running on Windows, don't set up a server.  Windows wasn't meant for servers. 
Wed Oct 14 03:02:58 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: the problem with windoes is the lack of unix timekeeping 
Wed Oct 14 03:03:01 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: My XP box seems to be OK for that. 
Wed Oct 14 03:03:04 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: so things dont eval out 
Wed Oct 14 03:03:26 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: i can easily see locking up a core that way 
Wed Oct 14 03:03:38 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: I get similar problems with andLinux on my Vista laptop. 
Wed Oct 14 03:05:25 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Oh yeah! I tweaked the Performance code so that it comes back with reasonable scores for faster machines. I might post on the forum so others can test so I can tweak it. 
Wed Oct 14 03:17:40 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Posted in Design Lab 
Wed Oct 14 03:36:59 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: that code doesnt seem to do much 
Wed Oct 14 03:37:08 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: it works for you? 
Wed Oct 14 03:37:12 2009 [dchat] Chris Bailey@Dead Souls Dev: hmm? 
Wed Oct 14 03:37:17 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: trickay 
Wed Oct 14 03:40:30 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Sorry, reading LPC stuff on MB 
Wed Oct 14 03:40:59 2009 [dchat] Rotas@Discworld: hcode 
Wed Oct 14 03:41:08 2009 [dchat] Rotas@Discworld: misthingy 
Wed Oct 14 03:41:36 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Read the code, should tell what it attempts. 
Wed Oct 14 03:44:16 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Weird, never really tested it in DS until now. 
Wed Oct 14 03:47:48 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Ah! printf() doesn't output to the user on DS. 
Wed Oct 14 03:48:23 2009 [dchat] Rotas@Discworld: original DS, DS lite or DSi? 
Wed Oct 14 03:48:35 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: DS 2.11a20 
Wed Oct 14 03:48:45 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: write(sprintf( ... )); 
Wed Oct 14 03:48:59 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Changed it to that and it works. 
Wed Oct 14 03:49:37 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: that's why i only trust efuns 
Wed Oct 14 03:49:57 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: printf is an efun. ??? 
Wed Oct 14 03:50:32 2009 [dchat] Taffyd@Discworld: simuled to go through the standard message output path I guess 
Wed Oct 14 04:00:50 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Modified DS code posted 
Wed Oct 14 04:06:14 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Weirdly, DS timetest is faster than Sapidlib. Driver is practically the same. 
Wed Oct 14 04:09:46 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: sprintf is an efun 
Wed Oct 14 04:09:53 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: printf is probably a simulefun 
Wed Oct 14 04:15:29 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: dc A quick grep of the DS sefun's doesn't show that. 
Wed Oct 14 04:16:29 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: However write() is... Hmm... 
Wed Oct 14 04:17:40 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: Possibly local_options differences that are to blaim. 
Wed Oct 14 04:17:54 2009 [dchat] Tricky@Rock the Halo: blame* 
Wed Oct 14 04:33:11 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: color me wrong... printf is an efun... The output is sent to this_user(), in the same manner as the write() efun. 
Wed Oct 14 04:33:55 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: i still heart u kaykay 
Wed Oct 14 05:03:17 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: i'm not sure what to make of that... 
Wed Oct 14 06:26:19 2009 [dchat] Chris Bailey@Dead Souls Dev: penis. 
Wed Oct 14 06:26:24 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: :( 
Wed Oct 14 11:57:53 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole thinks the shaggs need to learn how to play thier instruments, or get some cojones. 
Wed Oct 14 12:03:10 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: whereas the Bloohound gang rule! tho I wish they'd done a wickerman job on the cage full fo Frenchies, at least the got the mime tho. 
Wed Oct 14 18:40:52 2009 [dchat] Wintermute@Kults: is there a way to change the "spawn message" of a npc? I've tried all valid parameters for SetMessage but none of them fired. 
Wed Oct 14 18:41:32 2009 [dchat] Wintermute@Kults: it would be really nice for rp-oriented games, ie: "A behemoth jumps through a crack in the cave ceiling and surprises you!" 
Wed Oct 14 18:44:29 2009 [dchat] Wintermute@Kults: also, I was wondering about the default npc message in the room description. It only changes depending on current stance, but is there a way to replace the default "stands here." with a customised string? 
Wed Oct 14 19:03:26 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: isn't that the ENTER message? 
Wed Oct 14 19:10:32 2009 [dchat] A Shadow@kults_dev: nope, that's when a npc wanders into a room 
Wed Oct 14 19:11:17 2009 [dchat] Wintermute@kults_dev: sorry for shadow 
Wed Oct 14 19:12:10 2009 [dchat] Wintermute@kults_dev: I had high hopes for CLONE but that did not do it either 
Wed Oct 14 22:22:08 2009 [dchat] Shadyman@QuantumScape meuhs. 
Thu Oct 15 02:23:12 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: mmmmm.  Whopper.  flame broiled... somewhere! 
Thu Oct 15 12:51:13 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC-west: hm.  taking a poll:  Do you have any recollection of when you learned to talk and tie your shoes at the same time?  If so, when did it occur? 
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