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Thu Jul  9 04:30:01 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: i know 
Thu Jul  9 04:32:21 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: do you?  Or do you just think you know? 
Thu Jul  9 04:32:33 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: "justified true belief" 
Thu Jul  9 04:33:33 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: though i suspect a for real discussion of epistemology is not really threatened here 
Thu Jul  9 04:34:34 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: that's the study of insects, right?  :P 
Thu Jul  9 15:52:23 2009 [dchat] Detah@Dead Souls Dev: good morning 
Thu Jul  9 15:54:05 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: sup 
Thu Jul  9 15:54:40 2009 [dchat] Detah@Dead Souls Dev: more forecasting. gonna be the same for the next 2 weeks at least. 
Thu Jul  9 15:58:18 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: clone /domains/town/obj/8ball 
Thu Jul  9 16:04:57 2009 [dchat] Detah@Dead Souls Dev: hey! theres no numbers in there. I need numbers, man! 
Thu Jul  9 17:21:28 2009 [dchat] Detah@Dead Souls Dev: are you using a mud client? 
Thu Jul  9 17:22:46 2009 [dchat] Detah@Dead Souls Dev: looks like the single backslash is being interpreted as an escape character and is being ignored by evall; 
Thu Jul  9 17:23:40 2009 [dchat] Detah@Dead Souls Dev: aha. it may be mixing with the end of file hard return. hmm. not sure what the solution is. 
Thu Jul  9 18:00:27 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Please move this to an appropriate channel 
Thu Jul  9 18:00:39 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: In other words, the "coding? at MS? hah" channel 
Thu Jul  9 18:00:50 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: bite me 
Thu Jul  9 18:01:43 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: only if you mail me PGR4 through the msecompanystore.com 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:34 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: any others you want too? 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:35 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: oh you'd do that? =( 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:37 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: already half way donw 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:39 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: done 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:40 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: holy crap 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:41 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: pgr4 = 10$ 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:42 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: I wanted to hold out for Windows 7 as not to bother you but once 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:43 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: it's not  a bother, just a few mouse clicks 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:44 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: =D 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:45 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Halo Wars? 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:46 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: ok 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:48 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: Banjo 3? 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:49 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: ok =) 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:50 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: And I think that's more than enough for now 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:51 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: I'll mudmail you my address 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:53 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: i think i have it 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:54 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: it remembers everyone i've shipped to 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:55 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: I'm not sure you've shipped to me before... 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:56 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: no, doesn't look like it.. 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:58 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: and i don't have mudmail here 
Thu Jul  9 18:21:59 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Ah 
Thu Jul  9 18:22:00 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: you know my IM address? 
Thu Jul  9 18:22:01 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: I know your MS e-mail =) 
Thu Jul  9 18:22:02 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: that works too 
Thu Jul  9 18:22:05 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: oh, and if some burly looking guys in blue hard hats show up at your door, i had nothing to do with it 
Thu Jul  9 18:27:04 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: any day now sini 
Thu Jul  9 18:28:02 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Oops, sent 
Thu Jul  9 18:28:16 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: I assume @exchange.microsoft.com works 
Thu Jul  9 18:28:21 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: 'cause that's the address i have 
Thu Jul  9 18:28:27 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: If not, I'll just send @microsoft.com 
Thu Jul  9 18:28:51 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: got it 
Thu Jul  9 18:29:08 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Oh no, GMail and Exchange interacting 
Thu Jul  9 18:32:24 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: So tell me what I owe you, and if you like Paypal =) 
Thu Jul  9 18:32:33 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: they're on their way! 
Thu Jul  9 18:32:44 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: $63.74 and paypal is fine 
Thu Jul  9 18:33:00 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: K, mudtell me your paypal thingie 
Thu Jul  9 18:33:08 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: it's my mud admin address 
Thu Jul  9 18:33:16 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: i think you can use my MS one too 
Thu Jul  9 18:33:35 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: with the @exchange, or without it? 
Thu Jul  9 18:33:43 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: w/o 
Thu Jul  9 18:35:57 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: All done, to your @microsoft.com addy 
Thu Jul  9 18:36:15 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: THanks =) 
Thu Jul  9 18:36:43 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: of course, i love forcing people to buy stuff 
Thu Jul  9 18:37:00 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: At those prices, it's easy to 
Thu Jul  9 18:37:10 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: yeah, 3 for less than the price of 1 
Thu Jul  9 18:37:16 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: yup 
Thu Jul  9 18:38:55 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: hmmm... it must be taking it's sweet time 
Thu Jul  9 18:48:42 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: What, the paypal? 
Thu Jul  9 18:48:55 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: your alias @ microsoft.com is what I put in 
Thu Jul  9 18:48:57 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: I thought paypal was closing or going bankrupt or something. 
Thu Jul  9 18:48:58 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: yeah 
Thu Jul  9 18:49:49 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: and that address is one of my registered email addresses 
Thu Jul  9 18:50:00 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: probably double checking any funds that come from Cali banks 
Thu Jul  9 18:50:04 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: no IOUs please! 
Thu Jul  9 18:51:22 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Hm, it's not showing in my "recent transactions", but my paypal balance is definitely reflecting less money 
Thu Jul  9 18:51:41 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: just need to give the sql server a good kick 
Thu Jul  9 18:51:44 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Not funding it from a bank, I got a bit of cash in Paypal limbo 
Thu Jul  9 18:52:03 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: like paypal limbo money... my wife doesn't know when i spend it! 
Thu Jul  9 18:52:07 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: oh, just arrived :) 
Thu Jul  9 18:52:11 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Yeah ;) 
Thu Jul  9 18:52:13 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Woot 
Thu Jul  9 18:56:47 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: People should really stop spending money on stuff like this: 
Thu Jul  9 18:58:52 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: LOL 
Thu Jul  9 19:00:50 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: that video wasn't cheap to make =) 
Thu Jul  9 19:03:40 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Benedict Arnold 
Thu Jul  9 20:14:35 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: woo.  My son got offered an AmEx card. 
Thu Jul  9 20:14:46 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: I should have had him sign up for it. 
Thu Jul  9 20:15:01 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: the classic card or one of their credit cards? 
Thu Jul  9 20:15:28 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: doesn't matter.  he's 9.  his signature doesn't count for anything.  Any way you look at it, it would have been free money. 
Thu Jul  9 20:15:42 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: "free money"...? 
Thu Jul  9 20:16:06 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: the bank will have you disemboweled 
Thu Jul  9 20:16:11 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: for free 
Thu Jul  9 20:16:51 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: ok, tanstaafl... it would take *work* to spend the "free" money... 
Thu Jul  9 20:17:47 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: why is the money free? 
Thu Jul  9 20:17:59 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: as in, why do you think that amex giving you a card is giving you free money? 
Thu Jul  9 20:18:11 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Hypothetical scenario, DH: 
Thu Jul  9 20:18:20 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Kid gets mail. Opens it. Signs. Starts using the card. 
Thu Jul  9 20:18:26 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Spends 100,000 dollars. 
Thu Jul  9 20:18:30 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: He's not liable for it. =) 
Thu Jul  9 20:18:34 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: guardian is responsible for it 
Thu Jul  9 20:18:38 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Nope 
Thu Jul  9 20:18:46 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: not me.  my son.  they issue him a card on his own, and how are they going to collect on it?  He's not old enough for his signature to be binding.  so any "cardholder agreement" is void. 
Thu Jul  9 20:18:47 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Guardian never signed 
Thu Jul  9 20:18:56 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Exactly 
Thu Jul  9 20:19:20 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: that's assuming they actually send you a fully ready card 
Thu Jul  9 20:19:24 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: THey do. 
Thu Jul  9 20:19:36 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: All you have to do is call a number and beep beep beep and it's activated. 
Thu Jul  9 20:19:38 2009 [dchat] Zahir@Introvert Desires: time for daddy to upgrade the home entertainment system? 
Thu Jul  9 20:19:53 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Of course, for a significant amount of money they'll sue you 
Thu Jul  9 20:20:01 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: well, this wasn't a ready card.  and maybe if we *had* sent in the application it would have been denied.  The fact that they mailed the offer at all is not a good sign of intelligence, though. 
Thu Jul  9 20:20:14 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: the offers get sent more or less randomly 
Thu Jul  9 20:20:19 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: AFAICT at least 
Thu Jul  9 20:20:20 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: But ultimately the law is on your side - there has been no binding agreement between a person of responsible age and the company. There has also not been any instance of identity fraud. 
Thu Jul  9 20:20:28 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: Yes, well, you wouldn't be able to keep the stuff 
Thu Jul  9 20:20:48 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: no, they're not random.  they're based on generalized credit report information. 
Thu Jul  9 20:20:57 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: THey SHOULD be based on generalized credit report info 
Thu Jul  9 20:21:03 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Which contains the person's freakin' age 
Thu Jul  9 20:21:07 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: this is boring, talk about something else 
Thu Jul  9 20:21:10 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: if the credit reporting agencies can't have "not a freaking minor" as one of the requirements, then they're not doing their jobs very well. 
Thu Jul  9 20:21:12 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Donkey sex 
Thu Jul  9 20:21:18 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Oh wait, not on this line 
Thu Jul  9 20:21:22 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: yeah, crat's private life sounds good 
Thu Jul  9 20:21:40 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: their offer isn't binding 
Thu Jul  9 20:21:52 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: It's not, but if the kid activates the card and starts using it 
Thu Jul  9 20:22:00 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: they can't hold him accountable 
Thu Jul  9 20:22:01 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: ... but it wasn't an active card 
Thu Jul  9 20:22:11 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: You're right, DH 
Thu Jul  9 20:22:15 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: You're so right 
Thu Jul  9 20:22:18 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: You're the rightest 
Thu Jul  9 20:22:21 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: I've *never* seen a fully ready card being sent randomly by mail, incidentally 
Thu Jul  9 20:22:26 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: Ah, thank you for recognizing that :-) 
Thu Jul  9 20:22:28 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: DH, I take it you work for a (recently bankrupt) bank? 
Thu Jul  9 20:22:35 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: What makes you say that? 
Thu Jul  9 20:22:42 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: DH works to measure up to his father's genius 
Thu Jul  9 20:22:47 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: A job at which he fails on a daily basis 
Thu Jul  9 20:23:01 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: your excessive defense of fiscal stupidity. 
Thu Jul  9 20:23:03 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC shrugs. 
Thu Jul  9 20:23:09 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Nah, he's just being logical 
Thu Jul  9 20:23:11 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: when was I defending anything? 
Thu Jul  9 20:23:16 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: It might be stupid for CC offers to be sent to kids 
Thu Jul  9 20:23:21 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: if anything I was criticizing your silly claim of being able to get free money 
Thu Jul  9 20:23:30 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: But realistically, he's saying the odds of a kid actually getting to a point of using an active card is very low 
Thu Jul  9 20:23:33 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: right.  tanstaafl.   
Thu Jul  9 20:23:39 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: However, stranger things happen in this crazy world 
Thu Jul  9 20:23:42 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: ... what Sini said. 
Thu Jul  9 20:24:05 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: your "no free lunch" example was just as silly :shrug: 
Thu Jul  9 20:24:20 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: basically claiming that you'd be able to get/keep anything out of this little scam of yours is kinda silly 
Thu Jul  9 20:24:22 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Who me? 
Thu Jul  9 20:24:30 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: *I* would say the odds of banks being allowed to buy and sell interests in amalgamated junk mortgages was very low too.  and yet it happened. 
Thu Jul  9 20:24:40 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: heh 
Thu Jul  9 20:24:49 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: I'm sure this CC thing has happened before 
Thu Jul  9 20:24:53 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Time to bing it 
Thu Jul  9 20:24:55 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: lies 
Thu Jul  9 20:25:00 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: Heh, Hamlet. 
Thu Jul  9 20:25:02 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: I shall bing 
Thu Jul  9 20:25:14 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: bing bang bung 
Thu Jul  9 20:25:19 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: bong 
Thu Jul  9 20:25:23 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: wait, I'm confused.   you *do* understand there are things you can purchase that cannot be repossessed, right? 
Thu Jul  9 20:25:38 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: are we still talking about the same thing? 
Thu Jul  9 20:25:40 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Let's put that off for debate 
Thu Jul  9 20:25:41 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: i can repro your dinner from last night 
Thu Jul  9 20:25:47 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: You can try 
Thu Jul  9 20:25:55 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: yes, Kali, but *you* are the only one that would want to. 
Thu Jul  9 20:26:01 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: i'll settle for equal weight of flesh 
Thu Jul  9 20:27:08 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: http://tinyurl.com/mqhk7z 
Thu Jul  9 20:27:25 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: oh well.  AmEx is being overly slopping and Citibank is being overly cautious.  I guess the latter is better, but still annoying. 
Thu Jul  9 20:27:31 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: As improbable as it may be, that URL back there is basically saying what Hamstring and I are - contracts are not legally binding with minors 
Thu Jul  9 20:27:42 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: they've called me twice in the last week.  Can't seem to figure out that I was traveling up the coast. 
Thu Jul  9 20:28:08 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: "Legally, I don't see how a minor, regardless of how they participated in it, could be held responsible for the debt," says Robert E. Duff, a consumer law attorney with Indiana Consumer Law Group. 
Thu Jul  9 20:28:10 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: No, that's not what it's saying 
Thu Jul  9 20:28:11 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: well 
Thu Jul  9 20:28:20 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: there's a difference between that and actually keeping the stuff 
Thu Jul  9 20:28:28 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: I didn't say you'd go to jail or be responsible 
Thu Jul  9 20:28:42 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Then we enter into the realm of "oh but I spent it all on Microsoft Live Points, how are you gonna repo that?" 
Thu Jul  9 20:29:38 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: btw, read the last few paragraphs there 
Thu Jul  9 20:30:02 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: you're assuming they WANT to repo stuff. 
Thu Jul  9 20:30:08 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Maybe I should encourage my 10-year-old daughter to get a credit card or two. We could buy a new wardrobe for the family, add a big screen TV, or get that cell phone she's been wanting. Perhaps I could suggest she send me and my husband on a beach vacation filled with umbrella-decorated pink drinks and white-glove service. Then when the bills arrive, we could tell the lenders that she's only 10: How could she be responsible? When those accounts are closed, I could try it again with my 7-year-old. And then my 4-year-old. He knows how to write his own name now. 
Thu Jul  9 20:30:12 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: for less than perhaps $10k, it's probably not worth their effort. 
Thu Jul  9 20:30:18 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Point is, "it's wrong" 
Thu Jul  9 20:30:46 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: there's another little detail here 
Thu Jul  9 20:30:55 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: yes, it is.  that's why I called and yelled at them and then tore up the applicatio. 
Thu Jul  9 20:31:06 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: DH, CC companies will NOT go quietly nd try to repossess stuff 
Thu Jul  9 20:31:11 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: if the kid is doing all of this of his own volition, that's pretty different from the parent doing it through the kid 
Thu Jul  9 20:31:12 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: But we're talking about legal liability here 
Thu Jul  9 20:31:16 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: They can sue, take you to court, etc 
Thu Jul  9 20:31:22 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Probably will if it's significant 
Thu Jul  9 20:31:31 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: whatever happend to the monkey sex? 
Thu Jul  9 20:31:41 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: oooo.  they can't repossess monkey sex. 
Thu Jul  9 20:31:43 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: But you will only be legally required to give back the stuff if you are proven faulty 
Thu Jul  9 20:31:44 2009 [dchat] Chil@paploo_dev: What, I was supposed to share? 
Thu Jul  9 20:32:14 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: *and* they have to admit publically that they were stupid enough to offer and then give a credit card to a child. 
Thu Jul  9 20:32:16 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: omagawd davidhaely is hear 
Thu Jul  9 20:32:22 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: uh huh 
Thu Jul  9 20:32:24 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: might limit their bailout money. 
Thu Jul  9 20:32:26 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: And he's all "I love banks" 
Thu Jul  9 20:32:31 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: heh somebody has a beef with banks 
Thu Jul  9 20:32:37 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: and we're all "but dude, they make mistakes and then try to screw you for their mistakes" 
Thu Jul  9 20:32:41 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: monkies aren't made of beef 
Thu Jul  9 20:32:42 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: and he's all "I LOVE BANKS OK" 
Thu Jul  9 20:33:29 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: i cant talk about dh on this channel :( ot's the polite channel :( 
Thu Jul  9 20:33:39 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: heh 
Thu Jul  9 20:33:44 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: You're allowed to be hypocritical 
Thu Jul  9 20:34:02 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: or hypothetical 
Thu Jul  9 20:34:17 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: or hypocondriacal 
Thu Jul  9 20:34:20 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: hypocratycal? 
Thu Jul  9 20:34:56 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: woman hung up on me when I asked her when Amex was going to be asking for bailout money. 
Thu Jul  9 20:35:05 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: unsurprising 
Thu Jul  9 20:35:23 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: what did you expect? 
Thu Jul  9 20:35:55 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: Oh, I expected nothing less.  Although, technically, that job generally has a "don't hang up on people or we'll fire you" policy. 
Thu Jul  9 20:36:11 2009 [dchat] DavidHaley@Dead Souls Dev: I'm sure you could file a complaint with their customer service department 
Thu Jul  9 20:36:34 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: nah.  I wanted her to hang up and she did it.  Can't fault her for my success. 
Thu Jul  9 20:37:28 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: besides, I worked in a call center once.  hanging up is the only good part of the day. 
Thu Jul  9 20:42:01 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: weird.  did you know that email names could have ' in them? 
Thu Jul  9 20:42:17 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: I bet some mailers hate that. 
Thu Jul  9 20:42:23 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: Email addresses can have a lot of onteresting things in them. 
Thu Jul  9 20:42:41 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: A lot of verification code doesn't handle some cases. 
Thu Jul  9 20:43:05 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: Some fail even on the simple "John Doe"@example.com . 
Thu Jul  9 20:44:01 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: google a little for rfc822 or 'email regex' or similar... 
Thu Jul  9 20:44:03 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: this guy's mailname is sean.o'brien        I bet there are lots of mailers that throw a fit. 
Thu Jul  9 20:44:09 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: yeap. 
Thu Jul  9 21:04:53 2009 [dchat] Vlad@Dead_Souls_vlad: Hey everyone I just upgraded from 2.4! 
Thu Jul  9 21:05:38 2009 [dchat] Vlad@Dead_Souls_vlad: not fully configured yet but it did compile perfectly on osx 
Thu Jul  9 21:16:42 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: woot? 
Thu Jul  9 21:20:40 2009 [dchat] Vlad@OtherWorldDev: now don't get to excited Raud 
Thu Jul  9 21:23:41 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev grins vaguely. 
Thu Jul  9 22:54:09 2009 [dchat] Aidil@Way of the Force ponders the situation. 
Thu Jul  9 22:54:30 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: Which one? 
Thu Jul  9 22:55:13 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: the price of tea in china 
Fri Jul 10 00:06:04 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: I don't believe in China. 
Fri Jul 10 00:13:47 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: China believes in you 
Fri Jul 10 02:28:16 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: they shouldn't.  I'm probably a bad bet. 
Fri Jul 10 03:06:45 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@Discworld: aww. I Ctrl-C'ed my program and it didn't let go of the socket it was accepting on! 
Fri Jul 10 03:43:42 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: anyone know of a good (and commonly available) set of hashmaps for unix-C? 
Fri Jul 10 03:44:20 2009 [dchat] Detah@Arcania: good evening 
Fri Jul 10 18:49:09 2009 [dchat] Vlad@Other_World_Dev: So, why is every one so quiet? 
Fri Jul 10 18:49:35 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev has nothing to say. 
Fri Jul 10 18:49:59 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: I have nothing to hear/. 
Fri Jul 10 18:50:03 2009 [dchat] Vlad@Other_World_Dev Thinks, "Well that makes sense." 
Fri Jul 10 18:50:41 2009 [dchat] Vlad@Other_World_Dev: I just remember quite a bit of chat on here a couple of years ago... 
Fri Jul 10 18:50:56 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: great.  here I was pondering the implication of silence.  guess I'll have to start over later. 
Fri Jul 10 18:51:09 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: Well, Vlad, it's variable. 
Fri Jul 10 18:51:24 2009 [dchat] Deklax@Evolution: lol@hamlet 
Fri Jul 10 18:51:55 2009 [dchat] Vlad@Other_World_Dev Shoots a psychic dart of distraction at Hamlet! 
Fri Jul 10 18:52:05 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: There are times when it scrolls faster then you can read. But on other occasions it can be days betwwen chats. 
Fri Jul 10 18:52:16 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: I'm researching that for quite some time, but no progress. 
Fri Jul 10 18:52:44 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: I eliminated tides, phase of the moon, and the axial alignment. 
Fri Jul 10 18:52:55 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: Hmm... sunspots, maybe? 
Fri Jul 10 18:52:58 2009 [dchat] Vlad@Other_World_Dev: ah well it is just good to know you all are still alive.  ttyl 
Fri Jul 10 18:53:28 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: Intermud won't die so easily. 
Fri Jul 10 18:54:20 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@Discworld: I once spent a year in Greece... sitting in silence just to better understand the sound of a whisper. 
Fri Jul 10 18:55:17 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: There's no silence in Greece 
Fri Jul 10 18:56:13 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: you're giving me an earache 
Fri Jul 10 18:56:42 2009 [dchat] Vlad@Other_World_Dev: I suppose if I wanted to read chat real bad I could code my mud good enough to be interesting... 
Fri Jul 10 18:56:54 2009 [dchat] Vlad@Other_World_Dev Gets to work on that... 
Fri Jul 10 19:01:01 2009 [dchat] Aidil@Way of the Force grins. 
Fri Jul 10 19:01:13 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev smiles vaguely. 
Fri Jul 10 19:59:55 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: wowo check out the big giant chanlist update 
Fri Jul 10 19:59:58 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: who coded that poop 
Fri Jul 10 20:08:54 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: this structure doesnt help math 
Fri Jul 10 20:08:58 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: mischan 
Fri Jul 10 20:20:44 2009 [dchat] Aidil@Way of the Force did see no big giant chanlist update :P 
Fri Jul 10 20:20:58 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: I'm not even sure I know how to look :P 
Fri Jul 10 20:23:21 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: dchat is owned by Frontiers? 
Fri Jul 10 20:23:41 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: nah they lease it 
Fri Jul 10 20:24:39 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Frontiers: it's a sweet deal. i know the guy what runs the router 
Fri Jul 10 20:24:55 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: no wai 
Fri Jul 10 20:42:06 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@Dead Souls Dev: test 
Fri Jul 10 20:50:01 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: TOMATOES!  I have tomatoes.  small.  and green.  But tomatoes! 
Fri Jul 10 20:50:19 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: Pepper! Yellow pepper! 
Fri Jul 10 20:51:01 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: dead pig! loverly dead pig! 
Fri Jul 10 21:42:14 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: ohh, another victim of /cmds/creators/i3who.c ;( 
Fri Jul 10 21:51:47 2009 [dchat] Newt@ShadowMUDii Dev: o.0 
Fri Jul 10 21:52:40 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: That command runs a mass rwho request to all connected muds. Usually prints at least 400 lines to the screen. 
Fri Jul 10 21:53:53 2009 [dchat] Newt@ShadowMUDii Dev: heh, yeah, I did that...once 
Fri Jul 10 21:54:40 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: Most people did. Next alpha will deal with that, hopefully. 
Fri Jul 10 21:58:00 2009 [dchat] Vlad@Other_World_Dev: ah crap I did not know it bothered everyone to do that... 
Fri Jul 10 21:58:42 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: it doesn't bother (almost) anybody. It's just the fact that we receive a notification upon receiving a remote request. 
Fri Jul 10 21:58:55 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: like that one. 
Fri Jul 10 21:59:30 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: So when i saw a rwho form you on two different muds at the same time, i knew you ran into that trap called i3who.c ;) 
Fri Jul 10 22:00:24 2009 [dchat] Vlad@Other_World_Dev nods 
Fri Jul 10 22:11:26 2009 [dchat] Halcyon@Dracul's Castle: now the temptation to try it is overwhelming... c.c 
Fri Jul 10 22:12:54 2009 [dchat] Halcyon@Dracul's Castle: nnnnyyyrrggg okay willpower loses 
Fri Jul 10 22:13:03 2009 [dchat] Halcyon@Dracul's Castle: oh it burns 
Fri Jul 10 22:14:15 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev grins sadly. 
Fri Jul 10 22:15:32 2009 [dchat] Vlad@Other_World_Dev thinks, "I wonder if Halcyon knows that "Dracul's Castle" is my house." 
Fri Jul 10 22:16:56 2009 [dchat] Halcyon@Dracul's Castle: a man's home is his castle, indeed 
Fri Jul 10 22:17:10 2009 [dchat] Halcyon@Dracul's Castle: multimud officially has the prettiest who output 
Fri Jul 10 22:17:42 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev . o O ( Cardboard castle? Who'd have thought... ) 
Fri Jul 10 22:20:27 2009 [dchat] Halcyon@Dracul's Castle: is there a command that, given a command name, tells you the file it's defined in? 
Fri Jul 10 22:21:28 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: type: which which 
Fri Jul 10 22:22:53 2009 [dchat] Halcyon@Dracul's Castle: excellent :) 
Fri Jul 10 22:24:25 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: hey, cool. I thought that it catches only verbs and cmds... but it will even tell you if such command is a local add_action! Didn't knew that. 
Fri Jul 10 22:52:05 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: ya added that semi recently 
Fri Jul 10 22:54:18 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev states authoritatively that CRAT ROCKS. 
Fri Jul 10 22:54:42 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: I'm pretty sure he rolls 
Fri Jul 10 22:54:43 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: over 
Fri Jul 10 22:55:18 2009 [dchat] Vlad@Other_World_Dev: Well Crat is definately worth what we pay him... 
Fri Jul 10 22:55:25 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: heh 
Fri Jul 10 22:56:34 2009 [dchat] Vlad@Other_World_Dev: honestly, I think the stuff he codes on here is more involved than the code I get paid to work on... I for one really appreciate it. 
Fri Jul 10 23:05:09 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: awwwww :) 
Fri Jul 10 23:13:19 2009 [dchat] Xiron@Age of Immortals: <..> 
Fri Jul 10 23:13:56 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: <!!> 
Fri Jul 10 23:14:48 2009 [dchat] Xiron@Age of Immortals: I can see this will take several hours of browsing through cats :D 
Fri Jul 10 23:15:03 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: (.)(.) 
Fri Jul 10 23:18:12 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: ^..^ 
Fri Jul 10 23:24:29 2009 [dchat] Ninja@Dead Souls Dev: crat's an AI bot. 
Fri Jul 10 23:25:16 2009 [dchat] Ninja@Dead Souls Dev: pikachu - discharged. 
Sun Jul 12 06:35:05 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@Discworld: anyone awake? 
Sun Jul 12 06:41:50 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: hi 
Sun Jul 12 06:43:55 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: do you have a favorite linux torrent client? 
Sun Jul 12 06:44:02 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: tried using ktorrent, but it seems inadequate. 
Sun Jul 12 06:47:15 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: i dont know torrent things 
Sun Jul 12 06:47:23 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: i'm not "hip" to that "jazz" 
Sun Jul 12 06:47:47 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: clearly I don't either! 
Sun Jul 12 14:18:06 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: morning Kal. 
Sun Jul 12 15:03:00 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: morning :) 
Sun Jul 12 15:08:37 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: soup 
Sun Jul 12 15:12:13 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: beer 
Sun Jul 12 15:16:36 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: saki 
Sun Jul 12 15:16:41 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: or is that seki? 
Sun Jul 12 15:18:18 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: oooooh it sake! i must have had too much :P 
Sun Jul 12 15:18:33 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: either that or too much go :P 
Sun Jul 12 15:19:06 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: better have some more to forget all about this 
Sun Jul 12 15:19:24 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: anyhow these driver things are way difficult :-) 
Sun Jul 12 15:19:48 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: but i might have a semi-functional compiler by tuesday. 
Sun Jul 12 15:19:58 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: yay! 
Sun Jul 12 15:20:15 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: maybe in another week something that's moderately testable- but who can really say :P 
Sun Jul 12 15:20:17 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: what will it compile? brainfuck? 
Sun Jul 12 15:20:25 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: prolly. 
Sun Jul 12 15:20:34 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: it doesnt much look like LPC right now :P 
Sun Jul 12 15:21:28 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: actually i am lying 
Sun Jul 12 15:21:42 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: it does vaguely resemble LPC but no happy code implemented atm 
Sun Jul 12 15:24:16 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: we will see how well this 3 week trial run of actually coding something goes :P. 
Sun Jul 12 15:24:44 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: it'll end in procrastination 
Sun Jul 12 15:24:59 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: most likely :-). 
Sun Jul 12 15:25:33 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: it's horribly repetitive code :/ 
Sun Jul 12 17:02:22 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: hmm when is it good to use NullObjects? 
Sun Jul 12 17:11:37 2009 [dchat] Eddard@Valar Morghulis: Cratylus? 
Sun Jul 12 17:12:47 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: hi 
Sun Jul 12 17:23:04 2009 [dchat] Eddard@Valar Morghulis: dchat Hi :) 
Sun Jul 12 19:46:39 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: is there a good reason for LARGEST_PRINTABLE_STRING being ~8000, or did that just seem like a good big number? 
Sun Jul 12 19:51:44 2009 [dchat] Chil@paploo_dev: Looks to primarily be an artificial limit to make you learn not to spam yer users all at once with a big buffer or something. 
Sun Jul 12 19:52:28 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: is it a historic memory based limit? 
Sun Jul 12 19:53:13 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: 8096 being 8Kbytes 
Sun Jul 12 20:08:51 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: i think they did it just to confound Crat in the future 
Sun Jul 12 20:10:17 2009 [dchat] Chil@paploo_dev: That could explain a lot in mudos. 
Sun Jul 12 20:17:05 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: Kal how far did you get with the pike driver? will you let me steal code? :P 
Sun Jul 12 20:17:40 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: is this some form of artillary weapon? 
Sun Jul 12 20:18:06 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: yeah it's more deadly than a gauss rifle! 
Sun Jul 12 20:18:24 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: I'll bet 
Sun Jul 12 20:19:13 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: i am still trying to construct a minimal set of efuns to see what I am confronted with. 
Sun Jul 12 20:20:50 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: an orc guarding a chest? 
Sun Jul 12 20:23:36 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: dont mind the orc if you have a pike driver :P 
Sun Jul 12 20:24:32 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: an orc wearing 36" plate guarding a chest 
Sun Jul 12 20:25:13 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: is it lying on it's belly? :P 
Sun Jul 12 20:26:28 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: nah it's got steam-power keeping it upright 
Sun Jul 12 20:27:56 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: a bomb time? :P 
Sun Jul 12 20:28:20 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: it's the only way to be *sure* 
Sun Jul 12 20:30:43 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: hmm I should have something by this week hoping to get eoperators in and have at least string mappings and arrays working. 
Sun Jul 12 20:31:25 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: still a long way to go tho :/ 
Sun Jul 12 20:32:26 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: you never know those pikes might have nukes in em. 
Sun Jul 12 20:33:23 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole fears for the fragile contents of the chest 
Sun Jul 12 20:35:16 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: not sure i care about the chest i just like explosions :P 
Sun Jul 12 20:35:33 2009 [dchat] Sys@BlackHole: but your mum's in the chest 
Sun Jul 12 20:35:49 2009 [dchat] Silenus@Dead Souls Dev: i am cold hearted. 
Fri Jul 17 15:05:42 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: yesterday i tried to explain to my s.o. why i'd been stalking greg stein (in order to get permission to modify and distribute lima in a fixed up way) 
Fri Jul 17 15:05:48 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: i had not expected how *strange* it would sound to a normal 
Fri Jul 17 15:09:30 2009 [dchat] Chil@paploo_dev: Tracking down a dev team for licensing signoffs is like a groupie touring with a band. 
Fri Jul 17 15:09:33 2009 [dchat] Chil@paploo_dev: Gotta bang em all 
Fri Jul 17 15:10:32 2009 [dchat] Chil@paploo_dev: and you usually have to start with the lame guy that just started playing with them last year or something 
Fri Jul 17 15:11:26 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: took me like 2 years to get greg 
Fri Jul 17 15:11:54 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: so get this, like, last month someone says "hey whyncha tell lars penjo to come visit lpmuds.net" 
Fri Jul 17 15:11:57 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: im like lol 
Fri Jul 17 15:12:03 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: so i send him a message anyway 
Fri Jul 17 15:12:08 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: he replied THAT VERY DAY 
Fri Jul 17 15:12:30 2009 [dchat] Chil@paploo_dev: lolwut? how bored is that guy? 
Fri Jul 17 15:12:44 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: says he works on embedded systems for cars now 
Fri Jul 17 15:13:24 2009 [dchat] Chil@paploo_dev: Nifty 
Fri Jul 17 15:15:08 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: we should chip in, buy him something nice 
Fri Jul 17 15:15:47 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: but he' swedish. i think that's per se immediately fulfulling. cant think of anything that would improve his life 
Fri Jul 17 15:22:13 2009 [dchat] Chil@paploo_dev: Help limit dutch tourists, maybe 
Fri Jul 17 15:26:33 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: i like the cut of your jib, sir 
Fri Jul 17 16:10:48 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: wodan wodan wodan wodan wodan wodan wodan wodan 
Fri Jul 17 16:10:56 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: AHH SNAKE AHH SNAKE 
Fri Jul 17 16:58:10 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: it's old but just fine for testing 
Fri Jul 17 16:58:12 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: mischan 
Fri Jul 17 17:14:47 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: That http://85.89.177.37/~wrkq/df 
Fri Jul 17 17:14:59 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: That ^^ is just depressing. 
Fri Jul 17 17:17:12 2009 [dchat] Detah@Dead Souls Dev: good afternoon 
Sat Jul 18 09:58:46 2009 [dchat] Eddard@Valar Morghulis: hi 
Sat Jul 18 09:59:15 2009 [dchat] Eddard@Valar Morghulis: completly noob question... how I speak with an npc? 
Sat Jul 18 11:27:55 2009 [dchat] Eddard@Valar Morghulis: hi? 
Sat Jul 18 11:28:18 2009 [dchat] Halcyon@Dracul's Castle: hi! 
Sat Jul 18 11:28:31 2009 [dchat] Eddard@Valar Morghulis: I have a completly noob question.... XD 
Sat Jul 18 11:28:36 2009 [dchat] Eddard@Valar Morghulis: how I speak with an npc? 
Sat Jul 18 11:28:46 2009 [dchat] Halcyon@Dracul's Castle: fortunately, I am a complete noob 
Sat Jul 18 11:29:01 2009 [dchat] Halcyon@Dracul's Castle: 'ask'? 
Sat Jul 18 11:29:24 2009 [dchat] Eddard@Valar Morghulis: but If i want to know the things i can ask? 
Sat Jul 18 11:29:44 2009 [dchat] Halcyon@Dracul's Castle: you're probably meant to guess those 
Sat Jul 18 11:30:00 2009 [dchat] Eddard@Valar Morghulis: ok 
Sat Jul 18 11:30:02 2009 [dchat] Halcyon@Dracul's Castle: but sometimes they'll give you hints 
Sat Jul 18 11:30:31 2009 [dchat] Eddard@Valar Morghulis: ARf its hard to know how a mudlib works from 0 
Sat Jul 18 11:30:43 2009 [dchat] Halcyon@Dracul's Castle: like the class trainers will tell you what to ask for training in 
Sat Jul 18 11:31:44 2009 [dchat] Eddard@Valar Morghulis: Im trying to play the town domain, the default domian 
Sat Jul 18 11:32:15 2009 [dchat] Eddard@Valar Morghulis: And I am level 1 yet....X_D this is depressing 
Sat Jul 18 11:32:31 2009 [dchat] Halcyon@Dracul's Castle: if you go to the mansion that will quickly change 
Sat Jul 18 11:32:44 2009 [dchat] Eddard@Valar Morghulis: I am in the mansion...but I dont know how to enter 
Sat Jul 18 11:32:54 2009 [dchat] Halcyon@Dracul's Castle: there is a hint book 
Sat Jul 18 11:33:14 2009 [dchat] Eddard@Valar Morghulis: Dont find the key, and I dont know how to use the ladder 
Sat Jul 18 11:33:58 2009 [dchat] Eddard@Valar Morghulis: well actually i've seen the room code and I dont know anything that allows to climb to the opened window really 
Sat Jul 18 11:34:09 2009 [dchat] Halcyon@Dracul's Castle: one of the npcs near where you first spawn in, at the university, sells the walkthrough hintbook 
Sat Jul 18 11:35:12 2009 [dchat] Eddard@Valar Morghulis: ok I will find out 
Sat Jul 18 11:36:18 2009 [dchat] Halcyon@Dracul's Castle: it covers almost everything in the default domain 
Sat Jul 18 11:44:41 2009 [dchat] Eddard@Valar Morghulis: there is a lot of time i dont play  a mud.... I noticed... 
Sat Jul 18 11:46:39 2009 [dchat] Eddard@Valar Morghulis: to see the things I can buy? XD 
Sat Jul 18 11:51:44 2009 [dchat] Halcyon@Dracul's Castle: read list, probably 
Sat Jul 18 17:44:37 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: wodanwodanwodanwodanwodan 
Sat Jul 18 17:44:54 2009 [dchat] Ideysus@ShadowMUDii: Mushroom Mushroom. 
Sat Jul 18 20:15:53 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: those multipass lightnings are cool. That one was zapping for almost 2 secs... forty-fifty arcs in total. 
Sat Jul 18 20:19:11 2009 [dchat] Ninja@Dead Souls Dev: which mud was that on? 
Sat Jul 18 20:19:39 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: RL, I'm afraid. 
Sat Jul 18 20:20:43 2009 [dchat] Ninja@Dead Souls Dev: be brave. 
Sat Jul 18 20:20:54 2009 [dchat] Ninja@Dead Souls Dev: It only hurts for a second or two. 
Sat Jul 18 20:21:45 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: I know. Thanks anyway. 
Sat Jul 18 20:22:01 2009 [dchat] Ninja@Dead Souls Dev: Any time, man...that's what I'm here for. 
Sat Jul 18 22:24:36 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: oh dear, muds running 2.17-alpha, i must be late with releasing a new one :) 
Sat Jul 18 22:25:15 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: well thats what i wanted to talk at you about 
Sat Jul 18 22:25:28 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: do you mind if i put prerelease stuff in an alpha ds release? 
Sat Jul 18 22:25:34 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: right now its just my test muds 
Sat Jul 18 22:25:51 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: no, that's fine as long as you keep the alpha tag 
Sat Jul 18 22:25:58 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: also i sent up a branch 
Sat Jul 18 22:26:15 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: includes support for telnet NEW-ENV 
Sat Jul 18 22:26:52 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: but i'd like you to eyeball it, because the apply seems to send not only what i want, but stuff i dont expect 
Sat Jul 18 22:27:52 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: ah, the CratOS branch :) 
Sat Jul 18 22:28:10 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: :) 
Sat Jul 18 22:44:05 2009 [dchat] Aidil@GurbaHub: so.. crat is a c coder now? 
Sat Jul 18 22:44:17 2009 [dchat] Aidil@GurbaHub shivers. 
Sat Jul 18 22:44:23 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: He's a straight A coder 
Sat Jul 18 22:45:48 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: crat's been coding in C for ages! started with the telnet char mode stuff, i think :) 
Sat Jul 18 22:46:04 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: it's pretend code 
Sat Jul 18 22:47:34 2009 [dchat] Aidil@GurbaHub: does it pretend to function well enough so people can't tell the diff? 
Sat Jul 18 22:48:48 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: seems to 
Sat Jul 18 22:48:59 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: but i like in a fantasy world 
Sat Jul 18 22:49:34 2009 [dchat] Aidil@GurbaHub: one where compilers actually understand humans? 
Sat Jul 18 22:49:51 2009 [dchat] Wodan@Discworld: i can't imagine a world like that 
Sat Jul 18 22:50:08 2009 [dchat] Aidil@GurbaHub: Crat's fantasy world :) 
Sat Jul 18 22:50:22 2009 [dchat] Aidil@GurbaHub: I can't imagine a world like that either. 
Sun Jul 19 05:18:47 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC yawns 
Sun Jul 19 15:37:56 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: I stand corrected. There's a thing more annoying than "wall-brick" power supplies. 
Sun Jul 19 15:38:11 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: Wall-brick power supplies with extremely short cables. 
Sun Jul 19 15:59:22 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: on power strips 
Sun Jul 19 16:00:47 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: where else? 
Sun Jul 19 16:15:06 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: Stupid question. I have a bunch of pcs with no central server. Is there anything out there that would offer automatic ad-hoc mounting of remote filesystems as nodes go up and down? NFS is centralized and handles disconnections very poorly. sshfs is manual. smbfs... well, samba doesn't do automounts, and sometimes behaves weirdly. Any hints? 
Sun Jul 19 16:19:24 2009 [dchat] Kalinash@Fire and Ice: Windows 
Sun Jul 19 16:19:43 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev grins vaguely. 
Sun Jul 19 16:19:52 2009 [dchat] Ideysus@ShadowMUDii: Use autofs. 
Sun Jul 19 16:21:34 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: autofs is a mounter... and the only networked backend it supports seems to be nfs 
Sun Jul 19 16:26:26 2009 [dchat] Ideysus@ShadowMUDii: nah, I use samba with it at work. you can use it with whatever you want 
Mon Jul 20 14:11:30 2009 [dchat] Detah@Dead Souls Dev: good morning 
Mon Jul 20 14:11:52 2009 [dchat] Hamlet@WWC: morning! 
Mon Jul 20 17:11:12 2009 [dchat] Jessica@Dead_Souls_jessica: hello world 
Mon Jul 20 17:11:17 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: soup 
Mon Jul 20 17:11:28 2009 [dchat] Chil@sofa_dev: howdy 
Mon Jul 20 17:11:48 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Hello Mother, Hello Father 
Mon Jul 20 17:11:59 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: greetings from camp 
Mon Jul 20 17:12:20 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Hayawatha 
Mon Jul 20 17:12:49 2009 [dchat] Jessica@Dead_Souls_jessica: i am logged in from a shell and have obviously succeeded in compiling this mud codebase. 
Mon Jul 20 17:13:20 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: ooo and yer even using the latest alpha 
Mon Jul 20 17:13:31 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: yer cuttin edge 
Mon Jul 20 17:13:49 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: TIP OF THE SPEAR, MA! 
Mon Jul 20 17:13:55 2009 [dchat] Jessica@Dead_Souls_jessica: i am wanting to know how to nohup propperly and have it running the background, i have scanned the faq briefly but i didnt see anything 
Mon Jul 20 17:14:22 2009 [dchat] Jessica@Dead_Souls_jessica: at the moment the mud loading screen hogs my shell 
Mon Jul 20 17:14:38 2009 [dchat] Jessica@Dead_Souls_jessica: thankyou, my scanning quality is only at 45% at best. 
Mon Jul 20 17:14:50 2009 [dchat] Jessica@Dead_Souls_jessica: black and white too. 
Mon Jul 20 17:14:57 2009 [dchat] Jessica@Dead_Souls_jessica: 75dpi 
Mon Jul 20 17:15:00 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: Omg she's a sentiend android 
Mon Jul 20 17:15:05 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: sentient* 
Mon Jul 20 17:15:11 2009 [dchat] Jessica@Dead_Souls_jessica: sensitive 
Mon Jul 20 17:15:16 2009 [dchat] Sinistrad@Dead Souls Dev: sensual 
Mon Jul 20 17:15:19 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: one question jessitron 
Mon Jul 20 17:15:24 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: how do you feel? 
Mon Jul 20 17:15:53 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: locked up. i knew it. 
Mon Jul 20 17:15:56 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: and what does your name smell like? 
Mon Jul 20 17:15:59 2009 [dchat] Chil@sofa_dev: I feel fine. 
Mon Jul 20 17:16:41 2009 [dchat] Jessica@Dead_Souls_jessica: i have complete my tasks for the day and i am feel satisfied that i am adequately prepared for my mission. 
Mon Jul 20 17:17:44 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: Acknowledged. 
Mon Jul 20 17:18:48 2009 [dchat] Jessica@Dead_Souls_jessica: nohup ./startmud & seems to work 
Mon Jul 20 17:19:06 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: just keep an eye on that nohup.out 
Mon Jul 20 17:19:13 2009 [dchat] Jessica@Dead_Souls_jessica: 30GB 
Mon Jul 20 17:19:17 2009 [dchat] Jessica@Dead_Souls_jessica: can delete 
Mon Jul 20 17:19:22 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: k 
Mon Jul 20 17:20:17 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: excuse me? the .out grown to 30G already? Or do you mean that you have a lot of disk space? 
Mon Jul 20 17:20:32 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: i think he meant he has a 30g partition 
Mon Jul 20 17:20:42 2009 [dchat] Jessica@Dead_Souls_jessica: better to remember a small string of commands accurately than a large one and  it up all the time. 
Mon Jul 20 17:20:54 2009 [dchat] Jessica@Dead_Souls_jessica: am i allowed to swear here? 
Mon Jul 20 17:20:58 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: no :( 
Mon Jul 20 17:21:04 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: but on intergossip yes 
Mon Jul 20 17:21:10 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: `chan add intergossip` 
Mon Jul 20 17:21:14 2009 [dchat] Raudhrskal@Dead Souls Dev: `chan add free_speech` 
Mon Jul 20 17:21:41 2009 [dchat] Cratylus@Dead Souls Dev: once you change your muds name to something not-nooby then you'll also have access to imc2 channels 
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